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	<title>Comments on: More evidence that horse racing is fucked</title>
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		<title>By: Jennie</title>
		<link>http://thatvegangirl.com/?p=580&cpage=1#comment-732</link>
		<dc:creator>Jennie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 May 2009 14:51:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Which information are you referring to? The statistics on slaughter rates are cited in an above comment. The information on the "nurse mare" industry comes from a variety of sources. Much of it comes from the rescue groups that purchase the foals to prevent them from being sent to slaughter. These groups maintain a remarkably even tone in presenting the facts - something they must do in order to maintain relationships with the breeding farms so that they can continue to be "permitted" to rescue the foals. It also comes directly from friends and contacts within the Thoroughbred racing industry, as well as the Arabian breeding/showing industry. There was actually an article in Bloodhorse online last week about nurse mares, which did not include information on the prevalence or what happens to the foals, but did make the point that a) it is a common practice and b) they are switching to lighter breeds of horse as opposed to the traditional draft horses.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Which information are you referring to? The statistics on slaughter rates are cited in an above comment. The information on the &#8220;nurse mare&#8221; industry comes from a variety of sources. Much of it comes from the rescue groups that purchase the foals to prevent them from being sent to slaughter. These groups maintain a remarkably even tone in presenting the facts - something they must do in order to maintain relationships with the breeding farms so that they can continue to be &#8220;permitted&#8221; to rescue the foals. It also comes directly from friends and contacts within the Thoroughbred racing industry, as well as the Arabian breeding/showing industry. There was actually an article in Bloodhorse online last week about nurse mares, which did not include information on the prevalence or what happens to the foals, but did make the point that a) it is a common practice and b) they are switching to lighter breeds of horse as opposed to the traditional draft horses.</p>
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		<title>By: horseracing software ratings</title>
		<link>http://thatvegangirl.com/?p=580&cpage=1#comment-730</link>
		<dc:creator>horseracing software ratings</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 May 2009 08:33:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting article. Were did you got all the information from. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting article. Were did you got all the information from. <img src='http://thatvegangirl.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Sara</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 May 2009 22:39:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>thank you so much for this information. it is now confirmed to me that horse racing is indeed a cruel sport.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>thank you so much for this information. it is now confirmed to me that horse racing is indeed a cruel sport.</p>
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		<title>By: Jennie</title>
		<link>http://thatvegangirl.com/?p=580&cpage=1#comment-644</link>
		<dc:creator>Jennie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 May 2009 22:54:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That particular number comes from Best Friends, and a similar statistic can be found at HSUS. That number probably has a margin of error of +/- 10. It's almost impossible to get a full read on the real number, for reasons you can probably imagine. The total number of horses sent to slaughter per year is about 100,000, by the way - seems huge, huh? Keep in mind this statistic is total racing, not just Thoroughbred racing (TB, QH, Arabian, Standardbred etc.).

I too know many horses who have been taken from the track and "rehabbed" into other disciplines, including my first horse, Boomer, and at first I was astonished at the rates. It seems like a majority of eventers are OTTBs, and they are gaining popularity in the Hunter/Jumper ring too, so you see them everywhere, but think about how few people actually compete in these 'sports', and then think about how many horses the race industry churns out each year. If you look at organizations like CANTER, there are always more ex-racehorses in need of homes than there are people willing to take them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That particular number comes from Best Friends, and a similar statistic can be found at HSUS. That number probably has a margin of error of +/- 10. It&#8217;s almost impossible to get a full read on the real number, for reasons you can probably imagine. The total number of horses sent to slaughter per year is about 100,000, by the way - seems huge, huh? Keep in mind this statistic is total racing, not just Thoroughbred racing (TB, QH, Arabian, Standardbred etc.).</p>
<p>I too know many horses who have been taken from the track and &#8220;rehabbed&#8221; into other disciplines, including my first horse, Boomer, and at first I was astonished at the rates. It seems like a majority of eventers are OTTBs, and they are gaining popularity in the Hunter/Jumper ring too, so you see them everywhere, but think about how few people actually compete in these &#8217;sports&#8217;, and then think about how many horses the race industry churns out each year. If you look at organizations like CANTER, there are always more ex-racehorses in need of homes than there are people willing to take them.</p>
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		<title>By: theresa</title>
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		<dc:creator>theresa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 May 2009 22:35:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There are a lot of abuses in horse racing to be sure, but I would like to know the source of 75% slaughter rate . . . 

I've met so many thoroughbreds that were at least "tried" at the track, but were retrained for pleasure, polo, hunter, dressage, etc. 

that just seems a crazy high number . . is it real or sensationalized?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are a lot of abuses in horse racing to be sure, but I would like to know the source of 75% slaughter rate . . . </p>
<p>I&#8217;ve met so many thoroughbreds that were at least &#8220;tried&#8221; at the track, but were retrained for pleasure, polo, hunter, dressage, etc. </p>
<p>that just seems a crazy high number . . is it real or sensationalized?</p>
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		<title>By: easyVegan.info &#187; Blog Archive &#187; On mares, wet nurses and shared exploitations.</title>
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		<dc:creator>easyVegan.info &#187; Blog Archive &#187; On mares, wet nurses and shared exploitations.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Apr 2009 03:12:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] few weeks ago, Jennie at That Vegan Girl wrote about a little-known practice of the horse racing industry in which genetically [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Jennie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jennie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Mar 2009 21:32:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is interesting to discuss an ethical horse racing industry, because we premise the idea on the concept that animals are indeed property and ours to do what we wish with. If the thing we choose to do benefits them, so be it, but if not, well, it's not like they'd do any better on their own, right?

I think if you remove the premise that it's our right to own them, you cannot have ethical animal "sports". Therefore to claim that these sports can be ethical, we need to defend that claim. Can you do that? I cannot. 

The claim that they are better off racing than in the wild seems false to me. Would certain groups of people be technically "better off" if we placed them in captivity in return for all the food they needed and an agreement not to treat them harshly? I think that your intuitive response is no, but why? They'd be better off! They'd have a better chance! Let us not forget also that there is a 75% slaughter rate for horses "born to run". The mortality rate for America's wild horses is clearly less than that, as the birth rate is estimated to be around 20% and according to the BLM we're seeing herd size increases, not decreases. There is no evidence at all to suggest that horses are more or less likely to break a leg on the range, but that's not even close to the point. I never suggested that we turn all race horses out to be "wild", only that we cease to race them for money. 

The truth is that as long as horse racing is an industry, i.e. a way to make money, then the horses will always always always loose out. As long as it is okay to use them as a way to make money, their interests will not be taken into account because they don't technically have interests. I understand that horses love to run. My horse loves to run. However, removing the institution of horse racing from our world won't stop them from running ;) You do not need institutionalized horse racing to allow horses to run, or even to race. We don't race horses because they love to run, we race them because &lt;strong&gt;we want to make money&lt;/strong&gt; off them.

Thanks for commenting. I'd like to hear your thoughts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is interesting to discuss an ethical horse racing industry, because we premise the idea on the concept that animals are indeed property and ours to do what we wish with. If the thing we choose to do benefits them, so be it, but if not, well, it&#8217;s not like they&#8217;d do any better on their own, right?</p>
<p>I think if you remove the premise that it&#8217;s our right to own them, you cannot have ethical animal &#8220;sports&#8221;. Therefore to claim that these sports can be ethical, we need to defend that claim. Can you do that? I cannot. </p>
<p>The claim that they are better off racing than in the wild seems false to me. Would certain groups of people be technically &#8220;better off&#8221; if we placed them in captivity in return for all the food they needed and an agreement not to treat them harshly? I think that your intuitive response is no, but why? They&#8217;d be better off! They&#8217;d have a better chance! Let us not forget also that there is a 75% slaughter rate for horses &#8220;born to run&#8221;. The mortality rate for America&#8217;s wild horses is clearly less than that, as the birth rate is estimated to be around 20% and according to the BLM we&#8217;re seeing herd size increases, not decreases. There is no evidence at all to suggest that horses are more or less likely to break a leg on the range, but that&#8217;s not even close to the point. I never suggested that we turn all race horses out to be &#8220;wild&#8221;, only that we cease to race them for money. </p>
<p>The truth is that as long as horse racing is an industry, i.e. a way to make money, then the horses will always always always loose out. As long as it is okay to use them as a way to make money, their interests will not be taken into account because they don&#8217;t technically have interests. I understand that horses love to run. My horse loves to run. However, removing the institution of horse racing from our world won&#8217;t stop them from running <img src='http://thatvegangirl.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> You do not need institutionalized horse racing to allow horses to run, or even to race. We don&#8217;t race horses because they love to run, we race them because <strong>we want to make money</strong> off them.</p>
<p>Thanks for commenting. I&#8217;d like to hear your thoughts.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Mar 2009 21:13:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My girlfriend is training to be a jockey, so I've seen quite my fair share of horse racing lately.  I certainly agree that there are lots of terrible things going on behind the scenes.

What I DON'T agree with, however, is that horse racing is a bad thing, in itself.

There are ways to race horses ethically.  Horses do love to run, and it's clear that these horses enjoy their sport.  They love it.  Yes, they can break legs, but it seems to me they have a better chance racing than they would in the wild.

There needs to be some reform.  We shouldn't race horses who we know are MORE likely to break their legs (e.g. 2-year-olds), and we shouldn't be shipping away our "useless" horses to the slaughter (or worse).  There are surely many other things that we shouldn't do.  But that doesn't mean we shouldn't race horses... it just means that we should push for reform.

With that said, I definitely see where you are coming from.  I just wish more people gave a damn.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My girlfriend is training to be a jockey, so I&#8217;ve seen quite my fair share of horse racing lately.  I certainly agree that there are lots of terrible things going on behind the scenes.</p>
<p>What I DON&#8217;T agree with, however, is that horse racing is a bad thing, in itself.</p>
<p>There are ways to race horses ethically.  Horses do love to run, and it&#8217;s clear that these horses enjoy their sport.  They love it.  Yes, they can break legs, but it seems to me they have a better chance racing than they would in the wild.</p>
<p>There needs to be some reform.  We shouldn&#8217;t race horses who we know are MORE likely to break their legs (e.g. 2-year-olds), and we shouldn&#8217;t be shipping away our &#8220;useless&#8221; horses to the slaughter (or worse).  There are surely many other things that we shouldn&#8217;t do.  But that doesn&#8217;t mean we shouldn&#8217;t race horses&#8230; it just means that we should push for reform.</p>
<p>With that said, I definitely see where you are coming from.  I just wish more people gave a damn.</p>
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