In my latest article for The Scavenger, I explicate two reasons why, “It is ‘natural’”, fails as a justification for eating animals. Read it here.
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This is strictly philosophical, mind you, but for some time now I have been thinking through various arguments that purport to “prove” that death is a harm. Recently, in an “animal rights” forum, I wrote a few paragraphs on the topic. The question that instigated the thread was:
I know this is his idea, not mine, so I’d like to source him in an article I’m writing.
Basically, he follows the happy meat logic to it’s ultimate conclusion by saying that if he broke into a neighbors house and killed them by lethal injection while they slept he would have done no wrong.
I refuted that by explicating Peter Singer’s position (Singer, of course, is often the stand-in for “happy meat logic” for abolitionists like Francione). I wrote,
I am not sure “happy meat logic” would support the painless killing of human animals. As Francione often does, it seems to me that that argument is directly tied to Singer’s reasoning, but of course Singer would disagree with painlessly killing humans (most of them) because humans have an interest in continued life. “Happy meat logic” rejects that premise as it relates to animals; to wit, animals do not have an interest in continuing to live.
Someone then qualified my statement with David Sztybel’s defense of Singer. Basically, Sztybel correctly argues that Singer advocates what might be called the precautionary principle: “in the face of ignorance or doubt,” I suggested, Singer believes “we should assume nonhuman animals are future oriented, and therefore, have an interest in continuing to live.”
The comments that followed were various reflections about the “will to live” in all forms of life in an attempt, I suspect, to challenge Singer and indirectly support Francione. I argued that these attempts all fail.
It seems to me that you are all missing Singer’s point. The question is not, “Do living things struggle to survive?” but, “Do living things have a subjectively experienced interest in continuing to live?” Francione’s response to Singer answers the first question: yes, teleologically, all living things struggle to survive (as a biological imperative). That is an obvious empirical claim that Singer wouldn’t challenge. However, to the second question, a teleological approach does not work because it fails to establish that these same living things are subjectively experiencing their struggle to survive as an interest (i.e., they are not thinking to themselves, for example, “I want to still be alive next week”). Singer argues that without an autobiographical sense of self, the answer is that some animals (and insects) probably do not have an interest in continuing to live. However, and this is important, we might be wrong about that. And given the potential significance of making an error on this matter, we ought to give animals the benefit of the doubt whenever possible (i.e., the precautionary principle).
By analogy, consider reproduction. Teleologically, all living things have an interest in propagation (at the genetic level, certainly). But the important question here is does my dog think to herself that she would like to have children, or that she is in existential despair when after trying to conceive she can’t have a child. If the answer is no, then my dog does not have a subjectively experienced interest in procreation, and therefore, spaying her would not be a harm on Singer’s account.
I might add that for this very reason Francione’s deontological argument falls flat when he tries to defend spaying and neutering. He necessarily has to make a consequentalist claim to defend spaying and neutering because all animals certainly have a teleological interest in procreation, and therefore, by parity of reasoning, if Francione argues for an animals’ “right to life” because they have an interest in living, their interest in procreation should similarly be protected by a “right”.
It was then asserted that death is the ultimate harm, to which I summed-up some of my conclusions thus far.
But you stop existing, which means, strictly speaking, there is no you anymore to experience the harm. And if you are not around to experience the harm, how can you say you have been harmed? Singer’s approach, I think, fails for this reason. As I sit now, living is in my subjectively experienced interest. However, once I die, there is no me anymore to experience that interest going unfulfilled. And therefore, how am I harmed? Likewise with Regan’s argument that death is a harm because it prevents me from having future good experiences. Death is, on this account, the ultimate impediment to happiness, as it were. However, as with Singer’s account, it seems to me that since death means the end of you, the experiencing being, then how can we say that you have been harmed by this ultimate impediment to future good experiences? You no longer exist to experience not experiencing those (future good experiences).
And Francione’s argument is teleological, which is complicated, and does not, in my opinion, establish why this teleological interest ought to give rise to moral obligations while others do not. For example, children probably have a teleological interest in procreation, but for consequential reasons, we wouldn’t want to let them realize that. This is to say, Francione is bringing consequentialism in through the backdoor to ground his theory of “rights”. It is the consequences of realizing X interest that determines whether or not we put a “moral fence” around it, and if the consequences are bad, then that “moral fence” comes down.
Below is a contribution I made to an animal rights forum. It is an argument I have tried to articulate for some time now, an argument that has elicited some debate between Jen and myself and much consternation from many others, so to flesh it out: on the question, What about carnivorous animals?, I wrote
If it were practically feasible, genetic alteration would be the “right” choice. My reasoning runs like this.
There isn’t anything inherently “good” about “nature”; “nature” is merely, and I mean merely, the “is” in the is/ought fallacy. The existence of carnivores and omnivores and herbivores is the arbitrary result of ongoing genetic mutation in response to external stimuli. “Nature”, the product of this process, is a capricious, chance phenomenon. In other words, “nature” is devoid of all moral/ethical content, and any attempt to connect an ethical/moral claim to “nature” is bound to be an is/ought or naturalistic fallacy.
The relevant ethical/moral concern, then, for me, is the harm and death that occurs in “nature”. Hypothetically, therefore, if genetic tinkering could result in the end of predation then that would be ethically/morally better, in the final analysis, than the alternative (e.g. allowing the lion to continue preying on a gazelle).
Because harm and death concern me, the practical limitations to this kind of evaluative argument, however, are impossible to overcome. The complexity or too many variable problem and human fallibility arise and such genetic tampering would no doubt result in more harm and death. Therefore, a strong policy of non-intervention is appropriate.
But I do hasten to add in response to those who appeal to the “self-evident” value of bio-diversity, or “nature” more generally, that your reasoning is predicated on a basic philosophical confusion. There is no inherent value in “nature” (for the reasons I mentioned above) and therefore altering “nature” (and hypothetically eliminating carnivores and omnivores) is not an unreasoned position.
Natalie Portman wrote an interesting piece supporting veganism for The Huffington Post, a remarkably vegan-friendly mainstream media outlet. Below is a comment I pulled from the thread following Portman’s article that peaked my interest.
The commenter wrote:
We all have different tastes, outlooks, and reasons for eating our references. I don’t think one way is the absolute way. After all we may be a bunch of people, but each one of us are also our own individual. To question something like this is like saying the stranger next to me should do everything exactly like me…nothing more or less
There is an explicit, strong sense of individual liberty here, understood as the right to define your life as you choose and pursue it accordingly, that really permeates our political and social discourses as well. What conclusions can we reach if we really take this commenters proposition seriously? Scanning the vast array of different interests, lifestyles, opinions, and beliefs that seem to define highly individuated Western societies, we can pull out any number of examples to test our commitment to individuality.
Many, many people sexually prefer young children. There is something about a child that interests pedophiles. There are those who can only be satisfied if their sexual encounters involve high levels of aggression, force, and domination. Oftentimes, willing participants are lacking, so the next rational step in pursuit of satisfying the rapists individual preference is sex with the unwilling participant. Some people are of the opinion that ethnic minorities should not live in white communities, or attend white schools, or go to white churches. Some force and some legal discrimination is employed to achieve the desired outcome: living in a white world.
If we are sincere in our conviction that the pursuit of individuality ought to trump other ethical considerations, as the commenter seems to be arguing and a thought that most people strongly hold, these actions are necessarily acceptable. Unless we places limits on how far we can go in our pursuits there are problems.
The commenter recognizes this, and qualifies his/her position:
So should I condemn a person’s beliefs in eating? Or what they eat? If none of us are harming our fellow man, should we? Really?
If no harm is done to their neighbor, brother, or sister, then to each their own. Let them be.
(Who is this “fellow man”? As I mentioned above, many white people don’t see black people as their fellow man.)
We are free to pursue our individuality up to the point where we cause harm. That seems sensible, and I think most people just assume this limit when they espouse their belief in individuality. However, what the commenter doesn’t seem to understand is that this qualification contradicts his/her defense of killing and eating animals. The same is true for everybody else.
Animals can be harmed physically and emotionally and therefore these ethical limits extend beyond the human species. Veganism is healthy at all stages of the life course, so our consumption of animal flesh and their reproductive excrement’s falls into the category of “choice.” And that is when this limit, i.e., causing harm, becomes relevant.
The only rational conclusion is that going vegan is the right thing to do for this commenter, and everybody else.
Elaine responded to a recent blog post at L.O.V.E. entitled “Holistic veganism,” arguing that she prioritizes “triage” in her vegan activism, which she conceives of as follows:
I choose to focus my energy on the areas where I think I’ll do the most good/prevent the most harm.
In a post titled “The absurdity of ‘triage’ and the need for social change,” Ida challenged Elaine.
By definition…triage takes place after the harm has already happened, and is therefore incapable of dealing with the cause of that harm.
Ida uses the example of the television show M.A.S.H. to make her point.
…no matter how many soldiers the doctors saved, the wounded just kept coming in. This is because the doctors doing triage were working within the system.
Elaine’s approach, it is argued, is a response to effects (i.e., the harm caused by oppression), and fails to address the causes of the oppression that results in harm. Surely this is descriptively true, but Ida is making a normative claim that is disputable by stretching the M.A.S.H. analogy.
The necessity of physicians in the Armed Forces is an effect of exigencies: in war, the wounded need medical attention. Physicians, then, are responding to a need within a system replete with needs. These other needs will be responded to by other individuals. In the war analogy one such need is a challenge to the systems that makes war itself a necessity. There are multiple fronts responding to a heterogeneity of needs. Doctors aid the critical, those in direct need of having their bodily harm pacified or healed. This is their front.
What would Ida have these physicians do? Indeed, they aren’t challenging the “war machine” that causes the harm, but they are responding to a significant need nonetheless. This response can’t reasonably be challenged ethically. Physicians don’t take the harm for granted, quite the opposite. They simply don’t theorize whether or not the harm should exist in the first place because that isn’t the need they are responding to. A reasonable argument could be made that these physicians, because they see and directly respond to the harm, are the best placed to effect further changes down the line; to the level of some ultimate cause. (This begs the question for Ida and others: What is the ultimate cause? You label it oppression, exploitation, or violence, but these are all reducible to other causes: economics, ideology, religion, biology. Which are in turn reducible yet again.)
The same is true in the animal rights movement. There are different fronts: some will respond directly to the harm, while others will challenge it indirectly by criticizing the inner workings of the machine. Ida seems to imply that Elaine is accomplishing her primary aim (i.e., working to prevent harm) because she instead shifts the focus to the causes of the effect. This, of course, assumes that Elaine’s method doesn’t go to this end as well, which is dubious at best. It is an empirical matter that seems to be the crux of many anti-”welfarist” groups. Ida needs to present evidence that Elaine’s campaigns don’t result in challenging the causes of the harm. I know Elaine would disagree forcefully.
Ida’s latter dispute with “triage hierarchies” reveals her quixotism. She writes,
In the “triage” framework, some forms of exploitation are seen as the “worst abuses” – such as battery cages or crates – some are written off completely – honey bees, for example – and others we are told can wait – like so-called “free-range” operations.
Triage is necessary because in reality we are dealing with finite resources. Physicians on the battlefield must construct hierarchies because externalities demand it. Otherwise the result would be ineffectiveness. Likewise in the animal rights movement. People who are located differently within the battle as it were have resources that can be exhausted. Therefore, they must necessarily address something specific and this will place it above others on the practical scale. Since Elaine is responding directly to harm it follows that she ought to evaluate different harms and challenge the most extreme.
Ida doesn’t seem to recognize this and I think it is because she relies on a philosophical slide. She assumes that Elaine’s practical decision is actually normative. That doesn’t follow. Elaine is not grouping beings on a normative scale of “importance,” she is addressing the amount of harm caused to these beings. There also isn’t a normative element that suggests other harms are acceptable. They are simply less severe than X and Y. Harm is the analytic focus. The normative claim is that harm is bad, which isn’t disputable because it seems to be the first premise of the animal rights (and human rights) movement. Elaine is forced to make practical evaluations given her position within the opposition movement. Again, she is responding to certain needs.
Ida ends with,
Social change starts with believing another world is possible. “Triage” belongs to the world we wish to leave behind.
I don’t think Elaine would disagree. I certainly don’t. However, the physician performing triage in war shouldn’t leave helpless, suffering, and dying people on the battlefield without aid because she prefers to re-imagine the world in which all this harm never happened in the first place. That isn’t the need she is responding to.
Crossposted @ Vegan Soapbox






